Interview 1977

«Das subjektive Sehen reproduzieren»

A conversation between publicist Rene Grossenbacher and Steff Gruber on the occasion of the exhibition KUNSTSZENE ZÜRICH 1977

RG: 1974 you worked as a photographer and filmmaker in the USA. What consequences did this stay have for your future work?

SG: While there I worked very intensively. But more important were the personal and professional working relationships I developed with other filmmakers and photographers who were essential to my further work. For example, my friendship with James A. Herbert, with whom I spent many evenings discussing experimental film making and photography. I also assisted him with his films.

RG: What were the concrete results of these encounters?

SG: I became aware of the importance of experimenting with visual communication. I did so above all because I began to realize that conventional viewing habits had to be changed. It also seemed important to me to get away from traditional photography and thus from my role models Henri Cartier-Bresson and Lee Friedlander.

RG: Did you experiment with instant photography back then?

SG: Ja das habe ich. Ich habe damals die Bekanntschaft mit Silver Thin gemacht, einem Mitarbeiter von «Andy Warhol’s Interview». Wir haben aufregende Diskussionen über die Polaroid-Fotografie geführt. Schon bald habe ich angefangen, mit Polaroid Kontrollbilder anzufertigen. Immer mehr wurde die Polaroid-Kamera zum unerlässlichen Hilfsmittel für mich. Vor allem deshalb, weil sich bei meiner Art von Experimentalfotografie die Bilder laufend verändern.

RG: You work not only as a photographer, but also as a filmmaker. How do you reconcile these two media? Where do you see the differences, where the parallels and differences?

SG: Beim Film kommen, rein technisch gesehen, noch die beiden Elemente Bewegung und Ton hinzu. Aber die für mich wesentlichen Unterschiede liegen auf einer anderen Ebene. Der Film vermittelt Inhalte in einer anderen Dimension als das fotografierte Bild. Lebovici hat einmal gesagt: «Film ist Traum, der träumen macht». Dies will besagen, dass der Zuschauer während dem Ansehen eines Filmes in einen traumähnlichen Zustand fällt. Die Wirkungsweise auf den Betrachter ist somit verschieden. Während der Film im Allgemeinen eher über das Unterbewusstsein wirkt, lässt sich die Fotografie mit mehr Distanz betrachten.

RG: And the similarities?

SG: What both have in common is the form of production (staging, shooting, editing). It is very important for me that I can research new possibilities of visual expression in both fields - film and photography.

RG: So, you think that current photography and film have to change. What do you think needs to be changed and how?

SG: I assume that content and form represent an inseparable unity. So we have to change the whole. And this can only happen if you don't follow the established schemes. So we can't keep photographing backlit naked women for another ten years.

RG: You are taking part in the exhibition «Kunstszene Zurich 77" this year. You are showing a series of color Polaroid pictures. How did this series come about?

SG: I'm currently working on a process I named Diatypie. This process is essentially an alienation of my existing photographs, which I then reproduce with the Polaroid camera. The exhibited series is the first result of this work.

RG: What are you interested in starting from existing material and alienating it?

SG: In the moment of taking a photograph, I feel, due to the uniqueness of a shooting situation, a number of feelings that can be described by the term "erotic tension". It is my intention to integrate this impression into the picture. With the conventional method I have only partially succeeded in doing this. Through the alienation I have the possibility to reproduce my subjective perception.

Zurich, December 1977